WAR ROOM MISSION:SLAY THE CROCODILE

Ahhhh yes one of the great one way roads that islam travels upon and a touchy subject if you are American or just any old Infidel.

Question:

Is torture sanctioned by Islam?

Summary Answer:

Yes, but only when there is a reason for it.

The Qur'an:

Torture in this world

Sura (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides..."

Sura (8:12) - "Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their fingertips off them."

Sura (48:29) - "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves"

Torture in the next

Sura (22:19-22) - "These twain (the believers and the disbelievers) are two opponents who contend concerning their Lord. But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them; boiling fluid will be poured down on their heads.   Whereby that which is in their bellies, and their skins too, will be melted; And for them are hooked rods of iron. Whenever, in their anguish, they would go forth from thence they are driven back therein and (it is said unto them): Taste the doom of burning."  The punishment of those who merely disbelieve in Muhammad's claims about himself is described as being horrifically brutal in many other places as well, such as Sura 4:56, which says that they will face a continuous cycle of torture in which their skin will be burned off only to be replaced by new skin.

How Allah feels about non-Muslims naturally determines the attitude of Muslims.  In the Qur'an, Muhammad explicitly uses Allah's hatred of unbelievers to motivate his people to Jihad:

Sura (9:73)"O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites! Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end."

From the Hadith: ( Hadiths are the sayings spewed from muhammads own vile snaggle toothed mouth)

 

Muslim (16:4131) - They were caught and brought to him (the Holy Prophet). He commanded about them, and (thus) their hands and feet were cut off and their eyes were gouged and then they were thrown in the sun, until they died.  Muhammad had two murderers put to death, not in the way of "an eye-for-an-eye," but in a far more agonizing manner.

 

Muslim (17:4196) - A married man confesses that he has adultery (four times, as required).  Muhammad orders him planted in the ground and pelted with stones.  According to the passage, the first several stones caused such pain that he tried to escape and was dragged back.

 

Ibn Ishaq 436 - When Muhammad wished to attack the Meccan army at Badr, his men captured two slaves who were carrying water for the caravans and brought them into his presence. They were interrogated under torture as Muhammad stood praying:  “…they brought them along and questioned them while the apostle was standing praying… The people were dismayed at their report…and so they beat them. When they were beaten soundly…

 

Ibn Ishaq 734 - When Muhammad’s favorite wife Aisha was accused of adultery, he launched an investigation that included the brutal interrogation of a female slave:  So the apostle called Burayra to ask her, and Ali got up and gave her a violent beating, saying “Tell the Apostle the truth.”
 

Ibn Ishaq 764 - After amassing a powerful army, Muhammad sent his forces to take the peaceful farming community of Khaybar by surprise.  In the aftermath, he was dissatisfied with the amount of plunder and felt that the town’s treasurer, Kinana, might be holding out on him. He had the man brought to him:

When he [Muhammad] asked him about the rest he refused to produce it, so the apostle gave orders to al-Zubayr bin al-Awwam, “Torture him until you extract what he has.” So he kindled a fire with flint and steel on his chest until he was nearly dead. Then the apostle delivered him to Muhammad bin Maslama and he struck off his head.”


(As a happy side note to the story – Kinana's untimely death left a beautiful young widow named Saffiya, whom Muhammad was then able to “marry”).

Additional Notes:
 

The life of Muhammad teaches that torture is sanctioned in cases of interrogation.  The prophet of Islam did not stop his people from beating and abusing individuals in his presence when information was needed, whether it concerned a matter of sexual impropriety or the location of wealth that could be looted.  In at least one case of the latter, he actually ordered the torture himself.

 

Torture is also allowed when putting people to death.  Rather than prescribing quick execution, there were times in which Muhammad ordered his men to make a victim's death as slow and agonizing as possible.  In one case, Muhammad's men literally pulled apart the body of an elderly woman named Umm Qirfa by tying her limbs to camels then sent in opposite directions (Ibn Ishaq 980).

 

Muslim organizations often use general phrases when addressing this issue, such as CAIR's short-lived 2006 "Campaign against Torture."  This is designed to project the impression that they oppose torture in and of itself, thus attracting the support of a broader coalition.  The scope of their efforts tell a different story, however, since it does not typically extend beyond condemning Western countries in general (and the US in particular).  Sympathies are also tellingly limited to the alleged treatment of Muslim terror detainees.

 

In fact, these organizations have very little to say about ending the less ambiguous and far more brutal human rights violations practiced by Muslim governments, even though the victims there are usually Muslim as well.  The goal of these "anti-torture" campaigns is not an end to torture, but the capturing of moral high ground on a controversial issue. 

 

Islam is not fundamentally opposed to torture in certain circumstances, as long as it is the Muslim party that is applying it.  This is a good example of the many common double standards within the religion that must be recognized and brought out into the open in order to facilitate our dialogue with Islam.

 

(Note: There are Muslim individuals who do object to torture on principle, however, so do not make assumptions about anyone based on their nominal religion.)

  
 

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doodlebugg73 wrote on Jan 6
Just kill me and get it over with screw torture!!!!! There is no reason in my eyes for someone to torture another human being. They can take their happy book of torture and shove where the sun don't shine!!!!!
daralharb wrote on Jan 6
I agree doodlebug shove that book back from where it came.Out of thier arse.
crazybear1971 wrote on Jan 6
I could torture a few people myself. Namely Bin Laden, and a few other muzzies!
jeaniefree wrote on Jan 6
They get off on it
daralharb wrote on Jan 6
Torture takes time. There is too much to do for that.Put them out of thier/our misery and move on NEEEEEXT

but very understandable Bear.
peechi wrote on Jan 7
Their torture could/should be castration. Pernanent and swift!! Those 32 virgins probably don't have heads either, or each are Hidras.That should be their hearafter cuese that's what we're hear after..
HOORAH!!!!!!!
daralharb wrote on Jan 7
Wow peechi you don't hold back now do you? Good ,good.I said you would fit in just right and you are so far.
midnightingethsemane wrote on Jan 7
Torture is their way of life.
They really love to torture those who are not of their faith.
Kind of reminds one of :"Bloody Mary."
sad9605 wrote on Jan 21
Our country now condones torture the head of homeland security said if what we did was done on him he would consider it torture so how does that fit into your they're evil we are holy philosophy? when we become as bad as rthe bad guys are we stil the good guys?
daralharb wrote on Jan 21
We don't torture people by chopping them to bits.Torture is not carrried out on every captured Muslim.Our prisoners of war are in prisons.Where are the prisoners the Muslims have taken?

You can actually sit there and tell me that you have read this article and you have the nerve to compare Islam to the west?

You misunderstand much my friend.You are Jeanies son and i will stop this conversation here out of respect for her and her being my friend.
sad9605 wrote on Jan 21
I'm a big boy you don't have too spare my feelings. So what you're saying is our torture isn't as bad as thiers so it's alright? That is a really bad double standard. Remember God bless America Doesn't mean God damn everyone else. That is rascist and unamerican.
crazybear1971 wrote on Jan 21
What a joke!

A little waterboarding and someone has the nerve to compare America with islam as far as torture goes.

Smells like appeasement to me!

Hell I better double pay my taxes to the I.R.S. before they chop my head off!
daralharb wrote on Jan 21
sad9605 said
I'm a big boy you don't have too spare my feelings. So what you're saying is our torture isn't as bad as thiers so it's alright? That is a really bad double standard. Remember God bless America Doesn't mean God damn everyone else. That is rascist and unamerican.
Ha Ha...racist? Ooookaaaaay

unamerican? then do tell me what is American? What is it that we should be doing to people who cut off heads and limbs and who film these things ,who rape and molest children, murder. all these things without any feeling whatsoever.

Do you ralize how your mom would have to live under this sickness?
crazybear1971 wrote on Jan 21
There you go again dar, spanking another persons child! How dare you! LMAO!
daralharb wrote on Jan 21
These people spank themselves. can you believe this guy pulls out the race card.i guess that little jewel is for everybody and anybody these days.

Have nothing of value to add just toss the race card out on the table.the race card is a JOKE ha ha ha ha!!!!!
sad9605 wrote on Jan 22
No just stick to the system and people like me who believe everyone deserves freedom will get shipped off to FEMA camps as a domestic terrorrist and you can enjoy your WASP lifestyle with the rest of the NEOCON FASCISTS.
sad9605 wrote on Jan 22
According to our founding fathers we were supposed to stay out of international politics "No intangling alliances." That's all this war is Bush's daddy didn't get the bad guys so he had too to appease his daddy issues. So we orchistrated a false flag attack to coerce the people into supporting an unjustified and illegal war on "terror". Anyways we're not supposed to police the world that isn't what our country is about. No one else in the world is sticking thier nose into this. So why should we? ASs for cutting off heads and limbs how many diqamond does your wife have? Where did they come from? And America that great bastion of peace and stability has it's fair share of rapists, child molestors, and murderers so maybe China should come in here and clean it up for us.
daralharb wrote on Jan 22
sad9605 said
No just stick to the system and people like me who believe everyone deserves freedom will get shipped off to FEMA camps as a domestic terrorrist and you can enjoy your WASP lifestyle with the rest of the NEOCON FASCISTS.
People like you think everyone deserves freedom? That is laughable. I am sure Islam thanks you for your fighting for them to be free to cut off as many heads as they wish to.i am sure they will thank you for the freedom to rape your mother,sister,wife or girlfriend.Of course you do know that you won't be around for any of that because your head will be sitting on your chest like any and every other male of fighting age,islam cannot allow resistance you know? Or are you one that will convert to save your hide?Boy now that's freedom i tell ya.

Man i tell you.you people wake up in your conspirracy theorist world and go nuts.Plus you know that pic you have for an avatar is perfect for a liberal.It shows your true mentality...childish.So quick to call others names.You are a true freedom fighter in the same sense as the enemy.
sad9605 wrote on Jan 22
i won't convert to anything i hate all religions for 1900 years it was "Christianity" that were the terrorists more evil is done in the name of god than anything else. I mean the chinese aren't imposing thier athiest agenda on us but then again neither are the islamic extremists. I mean how many americans have had thier heads chopped off? They're too busy blowing thier selves to pieces they aren't over here blowing up busses or bombing temples. Oh and by the way I am not Liberal I am not a socialist I just disagree with our unconstitutional war so that makes me a liberal? or is it the fact that i would dare challenge you and your fascist military industrial complex mindset? And pick on my picture, that is a littrle childish while you smugly hide behind your photo of a fighter jet... haha that's insecure put a real face behind your voice. Oh yeah Mr. Neocon why won't Bush build the fence? that champion of right wing conservatism. Why did he dare to call the minutemen who are the only force protecting our border "Vigilantes" I mean anyone who is proud of american ideals is a liberal to you. Jesus you sound like a nazi. Have fun worshipping your reincarnated assyrian sun god
daralharb wrote on Jan 22
first of all child you can go to my page and view my face all day long,take your pick there are many for you to hate.I don't fear you and i don;'t fear islam.

another thing child,is that if you don't think the "extremists" are trying to impose thier agenda on us then you ARE crazy.Your problem is that you think there is a moderate muslim.you are a fool.they all want sharia law and that is very much extremist agenda.as far as there are no bombings and beheadings here then i suggest you haul your skinny ass over to the first U.S. soldier and thank him or her for that. As well as police and the like.there are plenty of attempts to blow people and buildings up over here and if you took your wack job theorist head out of your ass you would see that.look for that instead of U.F.O.'s .l
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i don't know what your fetish is for China but that figures too,lets embrace communism because after all ALL people deserve freedom...right?

Ha Ha you know so much of what you said is so ignorant. Ha Ha you are a FOOl....Ha Ha...a FOOl...Ha Ha

you really don't know how stupid you sound do you?

You know i really love the" I hate all religions" part of your hilariously foolsih comment here.It shows what you really know.which is what you had for breakfast because you can see it since your head is up your ass.

you know i really love that this is in writing i really do.nobody would believe me if i were to tell tham about it.

Thanks for the laughs you have been a good comedian.

By the way i seen you were there at this link http://daralharb.multiply.com/journal/item/222

so whenever you get the balls go on over and give your opinion.

Also while you have thiose balls go visit this one http://daralharb.multiply.com/journal/item/223

Go on enlighten me.
daralharb wrote on Jan 22
first of all child you can go to my page and view my face all day long,take your pick there are many for you to hate.I don't fear you and i don;'t fear islam.

another thing child,is that if you don't think the "extremists" are trying to impose thier agenda on us then you ARE crazy.Your problem is that you think there is a moderate muslim.you are a fool.they all want sharia law and that is very much extremist agenda.as far as there are no bombings and beheadings here then i suggest you haul your skinny ass over to the first U.S. soldier and thank him or her for that. As well as police and the like.there are plenty of attempts to blow people and buildings up over here and if you took your wack job theorist head out of your ass you would see that.look for that instead of U.F.O.'s .l
.

i don't know what your fetish is for China but that figures too,lets embrace communism because after all ALL people deserve freedom...right?

Ha Ha you know so much of what you said is so ignorant. Ha Ha you are a FOOl....Ha Ha...a FOOl...Ha Ha

you really don't know how stupid you sound do you?

You know i really love the" I hate all religions" part of your hilariously foolsih comment here.It shows what you really know.which is what you had for breakfast because you can see it since your head is up your ass.

you know i really love that this is in writing i really do.nobody would believe me if i were to tell tham about it.

Thanks for the laughs you have been a good comedian.

By the way i seen you were there at this link http://daralharb.multiply.com/journal/item/222

so whenever you get the balls go on over and give your opinion.

Also while you have thiose balls go visit this one http://daralharb.multiply.com/journal/item/223

Go on enlighten me.
sad9605 wrote on Jan 22
How many muslims do you actually know? I don't believe in UFOs But i do think that maybe just maybe our government doesn't have our best interests at heart. I was just using China as an example if you woould have actually read what i said you would have seen that. Biut oh well you are so high and mighty and i am so low and ignorant please mr teacher teach me a lesson and i have a picture of me now too so go look. and if you support our imperialist agenda so much go fight for freedom or ethnic cleansing however you like to look at it so you can sleep well at night. And your way of showing me how wrong i am is to insult me and call me a fool. well at least i take what our leaders say with a grain of salt where as you swollow it all hook line and sinker. Oh and as for a comedian why did the dead baby cross the road? Cause that's where the jews kicked it.
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